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Why don't we have an additional distress beacon on all planes that says their gps coords to Inmarsat continuously no matter what?

Basically why can't we use the Inmarsat network for more than distress but any and all planes report to some tamper proof system every minute?

(Yes I know how many flights there are, but you don't need to store the data once a plane has reached its destination successfully)



It's complicated. One of the complications is requiring anything. Most trade agreements now in place defer major standards compliance in aviation to ICAO, and ICAO ends up being lowest common denominator when it comes to rules. Simply, less rich countries don't want to pay for every possible feature.

Another complication is there's almost no such thing as a "backport" in aviation. The equipment a particular plane model is certified for is the equipment it has for life, save for some software updates. And this isn't in the category of a software update, it's new physical equipment. The easiest part is a new weight and balance for every airplane getting the new equipment. Harder is wiring the thing in, and getting it space in the cockpit - that's often quite difficult. If it requires integration of any sort, very difficult. There's extremely low willingness to substantially alter certified aircraft. There are individual systems that make up a whole, change any one part, you change the whole. The liability is too high for the return, these kinds of lost plane events are rare.


Actually, your mistaken. Cockpit avionics upgrades are relatively common, even in small aircraft like Cessna 172s. Considering a new Cessna 172 is around $250k, and a refurbished aircraft, with new glass cockpit is around $50k (and sometimes significantly less).

Aircraft have whats known as a Supplementary Type Certificate, which permits changes to a certified aircraft. Even a major upgrade from radial engine to turboprop has been authorized for some aircraft, including DC-3 transports made in the 1940s.

Another example is Southwest Airlines. The 737-300 series jets have glass cockpit upgrades for a common configuration between a 737-300 (Classic) and a newer 737-700 (NG).

If the ICAO mandates upgrades, it will happen. It might not be cheap, but its quite doable.


The above comment is very cavalier with the facts on pricing and availability of airplane upgrades.


Missing the key point. Aircraft are updated with newer avionics after leaving the factory quite routinely.

Considering Southwest currently has 122 737-300s in service, they wouldn't upgrade them if it wasn't available at a reasonable cost:

http://www.airfleets.net/flottecie/Southwest%20Airlines.htm

Cockpit upgrades for 737s:

http://www.aviationtoday.com/av/issue/feature/Product-Focus-...

Cockpit upgrades for C172 type aircraft:

https://flyhpa.com/2012/08/the-garmin-g500-g600/


I wonder if the cost to Malaysia and Malaysia air at ~250 per month would have been more than all the monies they've had to pay for this two year long search :-/


I was thinking about this on a motorcycle trip to Alaska. For $250 one can buy a consumer device that updates my location via satellite every few minutes to display on a web page. $35/month, and they have cheaper plans. Were I to have been eaten by a bear, or splattered by a semi on the Dalton Highway, my wife would have at least known where to recover the body.

Any yahoo with $250 and a shipping address can have one of these, yet two years later we still don't know where this Malaysian flight went to?


Are you sure? That work via sat data (not cell)?


You're on HN, surely you've heard of satellite phones. Yeah, I'm sure.


Which satellite would it talk back to? There's no coverage over that part of the Southern ocean. It's ridiculously remote and nobody is out there.


It would talk to the Iridium satellites, which are claimed to cover 100% of the planet: http://www.inreachdelorme.com/product-info/network-coverage.....

Are you saying 100% coverage is not the case?


There is coverage. The plane was pinging a real working comms satellite, its just at the time nobody was paying attention. This will change.


It is remote; the satellites get quite lonely I'm sure.


This is exactly what Immersat are now offering. Almost all wide-bodied jets already have the senders, and Immersat will stop charging for it, so everyone will hopefully start enabling it.


I want my cut for independently inventing this, then :-)


> Yes I know how many flights there are

Actually, not that many. There are less than 20,000 commercial flights in the air at any given a time.




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