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The article says that the "human ear loves ratios", but doesn't dig deeper into why. Here's my two cents.

First of all, let's focus on harmony (notes played at the same time) as opposed to melody (notes played one after another). What sounds good in a melody is quite culture-dependent, but there are reasons why harmony is more universal.

Second, let's focus on sounds that are produced by something long and narrow. In a guitar, violin, or piano it's a string, and in a flute it's a column of air. The physics of vibrations goes so that in such a case the sound is composed of harmonics: sine waves of frequencies f, 2f, 3f, 4f, ... If the shape is different (say, a circular membrane of a drum), then this may not apply.

Suppose we add a second sound, whose fundamental frequency is, say, 3/2 f. This means that its harmonics are 1.5f, 3f, 4.5f, 6f, 7.5f, 9f, ... Half of these (3f, 6f, ...) coincide with the harmonics of the first sound, so the sounds "reinforce" each other. More generally, if the ratio of the frequencies is p/q for some integers p and q, then there will be overlap in the harmonics. And the smaller p and q are, the more overlap there will be.



An entire class of music, Carnatic music, has existed for thousands of years with millions of listeners that is based on melody alone.

For a drum, interestingly, the fundamental vibration modes are all Bessel functions.


The really wierd thing is that intervals such as a fifth, major and minor thirds, and sevenths occur regularly in bird song, whale song, and a bunch of other non-human sounds. I assume that evolution favours constructive interference as the communication will generally travel further, but I also feel that human music is in some way influenced by our pre-lingual history.

In some way our brains are hard wired to appreciate and recognise these intervals, and to infer certain emotions from them.


Melody in the form of the pentatonic scale is much more universal across cultures, though. Use of non-trivial harmony is significantly less widespread, it's usually no more than a melody played over a single root tone or chord. South-Asian classical and folk music is one example in which Western-style harmony is not used at all.


You're right, of course. My wording is was bit poor.

What I should have said that harmony is less ad hoc; it has less "degrees of freedom".

With regards to melody, there are tons of tuning systems that are quite close to the usual twelve-tone equal temperament. It would be hard to give a convincing argument that one of these sounds better than all others.

Contrast this to the system of harmony where the basic principle is that ratios of small integers sound good together. This is not the only possible system of harmony, but it does seem to represent some kind of local optimum. And this makes it more amenable to the kind of purely theoretical reasoning that the article is trying to do.




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