> encumbered by mainstream language syntax and development procedures which introduce an extraordinary volume of unnecessary complexity at many levels.
This clearly states about Clojure that its syntax AND it's procedure of development (another grand claim) introduce said complexity.
That whole write-up is just about as incorrect as it can get:
> Virtually every other well known development tool in popular use is built upon bloated layers of existing technology, [...] Most developers have just never experienced the sort of self dependent architecture,
Never mind that Red is actually implemented in another abandoned proprietary language[0]!
> Never mind that Red is actually implemented in another abandoned proprietary language[0]!
Github's code breakdown by languages for red/red repo:
* Red 83.8%
* Rebol 15.7%
* C 0.2%
* Visual Basic 0.2%
* Java 0.1%
* Shell 0.0%
Only the compiler is implemented in Rebol, the rest, including the interpreter, the consoles, the GUI system and the whole runtime library are implemented in a mix of Red and Red/System. From top of my head, it's about ~25k LOC for the compiler/toolchain (in Rebol) and ~130k LOC for the REPL and runtime library (in Red and Red/System).
The use of Rebol is only for boostrapping the language. The whole Rebol code part will be dropped after 1.0, and the toolchain rewritten in pure Red.
> The use of Rebol is only for boostrapping the language. The whole Rebol code part will be dropped after 1.0, and the toolchain rewritten in pure Red.
@hjek, as @dockimbel noted, and we have never concealed, Red was bootstrapped using Rebol. Doc's stats break things down pretty well, but there's another point to be made. Red is ~95% Rebol compatible. This is a very important detail, and proved that Red could be used to self host in the future. When the need to self-host becomes important, it can be done relatively easily, and with confidence.
This clearly states about Clojure that its syntax AND it's procedure of development (another grand claim) introduce said complexity.
That whole write-up is just about as incorrect as it can get:
> Virtually every other well known development tool in popular use is built upon bloated layers of existing technology, [...] Most developers have just never experienced the sort of self dependent architecture,
Never mind that Red is actually implemented in another abandoned proprietary language[0]!
That entire sales pitch is a barefaced lie.
[0]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18846518