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I think it’s time to move on :-)

That ship sailed long ago. There’s honestly no need for majority of programmers these days to go cli, vim/emacs way or whatever the one true way is these days. It’s just not needed.

And the ones who need it for their work they learn it, know it, and do it.

Or for the fun and satisfaction of maintaining, running, and keep oiling something antique and/or analogue.



Good luck throwing CI scripts at someone who can only drive an IDE.


Everybody who can code started out not being able to do either of those things.

Cross the bridge when you get there.


I chew CI scripts for breakfast and CD for lunch.

Jokes aside, it’s a decent part of my day job and never faced any problem. Neither do my younger colleagues who never ever were even exposed to those esoteric programming thingies.

The problem is the belief that cli or mildly esoteric CS practises and skills have to be some kind of mandatory initiation.


> There’s honestly no need for majority of programmers these days to go cli

I never did CS classes (I taught a couple once).

I agree that you don't need to learn CLI in the first year.

The idea that the majority of "programmers" can tackle production code without ever being introduced to a CLI is terrifying, though. I'm astonished to learn that some people think you can get a Computer Science degree without learning processor architecture, IO, operating systems and so on.

FWIW, I hate git. It's the devil to learn, and it solves a load of problems I've never had. I wouldn't inflict it on a first-year student.

Of course you need to know what a file is to use git; but you need to know what a file is to use any VCS. I don't see how you can teach someone programming before they know what a file is.

Is a CS course now little more than a way to get an introductory programming qualification?




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