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Reminder that Nvidia is still the only company making any money out of the "AI revolution".


That's natural given that they mostly produce hardware several layers of abstraction distant from the end user value, companies need to buy the hardware before they can start delivering their own value. AI model training is not value by itself if there's no use-case for the model that can be charged for.

I see it playing out one of two ways. Either Nvidia are selling shovels in a gold rush, the rush will end, and the business will dry up (after they have made a lot of money!). Or AI sticks/takes off, and Nvidia are selling a commodity too far from the value, like most electronic component manufacturers, and they'll maintain significant market share but have their margins reduced to a fraction of what they were before (after they made a lot of money!).

The human value doesn't come from ML training or inference, it comes from taking a better photo. The business value comes from drafting a better email. Those companies closer to that value will likely do better in the long run, as they always have done.


Wrong

Midjourney is profitable. All the acquired startups (i.e. Streamlit or MosaicML) who made millions per employee "made money" for the people who cared.


Midjourney is one, but the others are not. Plenty of people “made money” at Twitter, but the company is a money pit.

OP was likely talking about profitability.

FWIW I wouldn’t really count streamlit as an ai company


Twitter was (mildly) profitable.


I'm pretty sure https://www.topazlabs.com/ is also making money with the AI revolution.

Also Klarna threw out 700 people, they probably make money with AI.

And i found this article: https://www.ft.com/content/a9a192e3-bfbc-461e-a4f3-112e63d0b...


Its an revolution. Don't undersell this.

There was never ever any technology like LLMs close to what chatgpt and co can do in regards of understanding random human input.

My startup doesn't need to make money with it directly, but for us it increased our data quality on text and images.

I'm also quite happy to pay 10-20$ per month for random things LLMs do quite well for different use cases like creating some scripts etc.


That's not true, there are plenty of companies that make a profit, Midjourney, for example, an obvious one.


Are there others?


I use NovelAI and that's also profitable. I would be surprised if Elevenlabs wasn't profitable right now.


"When there is a gold rush, sell shovels"


They started the gold rush.


I'm pretty sure OpenAI started it, they just used NVIDIA shovels to dig the first mines.


Nvidia created CUDA and seeded the ML industry for a decade before chatgpt. They aren't given enough credit for their foresight and strategy. Most companies would have choked the community to death with greed before it ever took off.

There is a reason why CUDA works on every NV gpu but ROCm support is spotty at best and only guaranteed on data center GPUs.


My analogy still holds. NVIDIA just created good shovels that are useful in both the garden and in a gold mine.

AMD and Intel insisted on selling only flimsy garden shovels.


AMD and intels shovels (hardware) are fine. The ecosystem is the problem. The fundamental difference is AMD/intel see it as an upsell whereas nvidia is willing to invest in long term organic growth. The problem is the C suite and the difference between companies run by founders and bean counters.


We're actually in agreement, it's just that analogies are a blunt instrument.

I'm saying that Intel and AMD made single-purpose GPUs useful only for graphics. Whether that's because of the software or hardware is immaterial. Effectively, it's one product in the same sense that an iPhone is one product to a consumer, but technically it's the iPhone device + iOS the software + Apple services such as iCloud, music, etc...


It's not single purpose hardware or software. If you crawl over enough broken glass you can get anything to work on AMD/intel.

The distinction is one of business strategy not technology.


i have yet to hear of anyone actually using AI for something properly

only exception im excited about is the non-main characters from video games, where a lot of the random NPCs, can now actually bring some more fun to the game.


Vision models are a godsent for blind user. I use a vision model to sort my laundry, for instance...

And translation and grammar/spell checking is also at a level which was unthinkable before LLMs hit.

But thats it, really. The "talking machine" aspect of it is more and more uncovered as totally useless.


> I use a vision model to sort my laundry

you built a robot that sorts laundry? Tell us more!


No, I never said that. But you already know that. The robot in this case is me holding a smart phone.


Is that faster than just determining by touch what type of garment something is? Or is this about sorting by color?


Its for sorting by color/print. Some things you remember instantly by touch, others not so much.


This sounds really cool - so you point it at individual items of clothing and it reads out the type of clothing and colour?

Do you have any more info or links about the setup?


Its basically a gpt4o in disguise. The feature is called BeMyAI, and it is being released via BeMyEyes.

I would have answered earlier, but the silly HN rate limiter prevented me from passing the link to you.

I dont want to look it up yet agan.

And I dont want to use HN anymore,, this rate limit time-waster really just killed my sympathy for this site.


https://www.bemyeyes.com/ you can scroll down to the new AI version.


actually I did not and I thought it would be awesome, people on the internet have impressed me before.

Sorry if I came off negatively.


I run in production a system that uses LLM translation and summerization from hundreds of sources in dozens of languages. Users are extremely satisfied by the results that are far cheaper and far higher quality than what was available before


Which system is this?


It is an inhouse system in a niche market, not available for sale. I use the OpenAI api for now with very good results, though long term I would prefer to have an on-premise solution if quality and scope (in terms of supported languages) can be maintained. Codewise, as you can imagine, the AI is a very small part of the codebase, but without it the system would be pretty useless.

I think many underestimate the true usefulness the current generation of AI has already achieved because a lot of it is in traditional, boring, bespoke or inhouse LoB systems whereas the press always focuses on public B2C


I have seen plenty of very good internal AI Demos which we are adding to our products. From GenAI stuff, to image analysis, lightweight agents who answer proper questions.

I used chatgpt 3 days ago to generate a script for me. Saved me probably an hour too.

We use it also in my startup for tasks which we wouldn't even tried without ML models because the quality of old libraries were to bad. Like pdf catalog to text, image classification and segmentation.


Claiming no one is using MLMs “properly” despite the various scientific and industrial use cases (vision systems, robots, protein folding, drug simulation, etc) while being “excited” for something as pathetically trivial as a text generator with a text-to-speech tacked on for your mass-produced open world games. Truly peak HN.




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