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>I find it absurd how Americans can't give up on their suburbs and car centric development dystopia and then spend so much time in their cars

I agree that kind of commute is insane, but maybe we don't all want to raise our families in shoe boxes (often surrounded by filth and crime) in the city centre (as if everyone in France lives in downtown Paris).

You may find that thrilling, but I don't. None of it.



Your arguments has way too many fallacies, like if the US has any shortage of crime and filth filled suburbs, but I'll cut it short.

Everybody should live in the context they prefer.

That being said, if the suburb dystopia was instead built around sensible public transport with good trains, metros and well planned gathering and commercial areas I could have some sympathy.

But no, everything is planned and built around the concept of owning and driving a car for everything.

Which is also why you end up having so many suburbs that are the facto dumpster ghettos, people not owning a car cannot even easily commute daily to a job available downtown.

Good public transport and proper city planning are some of the best social equalizers and life improving engines out there. For everybody, including and especially people wanting their own home rather than living in apartments (that by the way don't have to be small, albeit smaller dimensions have plenty of benefits too).


There is zero relation between filth and crime, and living in the city centre. At least inherently. There may be a correlation where you live.


"In 2005, Harvard University and Suffolk University researchers worked with local police to identify 34 "crime hot spots" in Lowell, Massachusetts. In half of the spots, authorities cleared trash, fixed streetlights, enforced building codes, discouraged loiterers, made more misdemeanor arrests, and expanded mental health services and aid for the homeless. In the other half of the identified locations, there was no change to routine police service.

The areas that received additional attention experienced a 20% reduction in calls to the police. The study concluded that cleaning up the physical environment was more effective than misdemeanor arrests."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Broken_windows_theory


I’m not sure what you are trying to say? It feels like you should be trying to refute what I said, but it’s actually in agreement?


They probably read your comment as three things instead of two (I did at first and had to take a second look). Tighter binding between the paired items might make it read better, instead of the awkwardly placed comma:

> There is zero relation between filth/crime and living in the city centre.


The irony is the vast groups of tech employees that choose to live in San Francisco and commute to the suburbs.




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