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The fact that this is even brought up as a solution really speaks to how bad Windows is.

https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/evalcenter/evaluate-windows-...

> after you install Windows 11 IoT Enterprise LTSC Evaluation, you won't be able to use the recovery partition on your PC to go back to your previous version of Windows.

Yikes.



> after you install Windows 11 IoT Enterprise LTSC Evaluation, you won't be able to use the recovery partition on your PC to go back to your previous version of Windows.

I was already sold; you don't have to convince me.




The fact that this is even brought up as a solution really speaks to how bad Windows is.

i was going to say something similar. the fact that a version of windows that is designed for IoT devises is still usable as a desktop is absolutely ridiculous. imagine using OpenWRT as a desktop...


It's not designed for IoT devices per se, the naming is just terrible. A comparison to OpenWrt is not warranted here, although to reiterate, the naming is terrible.


>It's not designed for IoT devices per se, the naming is just terrible.

IoT was the buzzword of the year when W10 released.


Yeah, bad naming is all it is.

In a way, it is for "IoT" devices...but enterprisey things. Where I work we have it on a few devices that I guess you could call an "IoT" device. Unattended driver kiosks for truck scales, manufacturing equipment that requires windows, industrial control panels, etc.

That's what it is for. A lot of this stuff uses really old software, some of which the vendor doesn't even exist anymore, and it only runs on Windows so these control panels and devices need windows (unless you manage to get some of it working on wine but that's usually not viable in these cases).

So yeah, it's supposed to be a full desktop, because these devices often require it to some extent, albeit a little slimmed down and LTS.

I think HN would be surprised to learn just how many devices run windows out there in the world outside of silicon valley. Windows is everywhere you'd hope never to see it running at.


well, i am not surprised that anything with a GUI would run some form of windows, even ATMs. i would not have categorized them as IoT devices though, but fair point.


but IoT is one of the use cases it is designed for, isn't it? regardless of the naming, suggesting to use a desktop system for IoT is ridiculous.

the comparison to OpenWRT is warranted, if microsoft expects me to run this system on devices that i would otherwise run OpenWRT on.


That's a bit harsh.

The recovery partition has some value. But in an OS reinstall scenario Windows.old is a much more helpful feature.

However, these features won't used by someone installing Windows 11 IoT Enterprise LTSC Evaluation (Evaluation just means that it's 90 day free trial version). This is because to aquire the non-trial version of the OS you must either be willing to license Windows 11 IoT Enterprise LTSC from Microsoft, or crack the activation. If you crack Windows you do not need the 90 day free trial! And any company which has institutional knowledge of what an LTSC edition is, is capable of running the 90 day trial in a non destructive way (pro tip: put your new OS on a new drive and keep your old drive in a drawer).

Windows 11 IoT Enterprise LTSC is the best version of Windows 11 I have ever tried, no contest.


You're "supposed" to acquire LTSC through non-official means, not using the evaluation ISO.


So the only way to use Windows, is to use a version that's designed for IoT, and only available through enterprise channels?

It's really selling itself...


That's routine. Windows generally ends up nuking the OEM partitions if you do golden installs.




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