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Apple isn’t friends with OpenAI anymore


What happened?



The gist is, OpenAI hired a high ranking Apple employee who helped other Apple employees get hired by OpenAI and exfiltrate Apple trade secrets in the process.

Allegedly of course.


> high ranking Apple employee

Jony Ive basically works for Open AI (it's more complicated, but it's a good approximation), and has more or less rebuilt a designing team over there.

He's not the central person mentioned in Apple's accusations but that's arguably the central point that's triggering all of this.


Didn't he live Apple a very long time ago?


Yes, the high ranking employee at the center of the accusations is not Ive, but Tang Tan, former VP of product design

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cy8w379e091o


He left in 2019 and formed his own company, that did design work for Apple until 2022.

He "took" several Apple employees with him when he left and there's been a steady stream of Apple employees going to OpenAI.

Ive isn’t responsible for all of them obviously, but the articles about lawsuits says there are 400 former Apple employees at OpenAI.


Sounds like Apple needs to do a better job at being a place where employees want to stay.


Given that his departure was marked by Apple products getting more reliable and usable, they arguably did too much in that regard (one of Cook’s more notable bad calls). Once he stopped blocking it, the keyboards were fixed and pro devices regained enough ports for pro users.

Without his support, his protege Alan Dye left for Meta and improved the design skills at both companies.


Or, good that the craze for ever thinner laptops has been slowed?


A lot more than several. Sounded like it ended up being a large chunk of his team.


The accusations are pretty wild

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48865294




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