> You have 0 control over distribution though, which is pretty important to me.

Simply having to wait a week to get approved for the iOS App Store (and less on Android) doesn't constitute 0 control over distribution. You can still release the app to the store when you want, if you plan ahead, and pull it whenever you like. Less control, yes, but not zero.

Also, how is this different from writing a non-native app? The same rules apply to distributing web apps if you want them to be in the store. True that you can release it as a website whenever you want, but that's not really the same thing.

> Simply having to wait a week to get approved for the iOS App Store (and less on Android) doesn't constitute 0 control over distribution. You can still release the app to the store when you want, if you plan ahead, and pull it whenever you like. Less control, yes, but not zero.

You don't have control whether your app will be accepted into the store (like the recent bitcoin apps), you don't have control whether the content in your app will be allowed in the store (such as the many Comixology comics that where banned from being sold).

> Also, how is this different from writing a non-native app? The same rules apply to distributing web apps if you want them to be in the store.

But I don't have to put my web apps in the store at all, I just tell my users to visit a URL.

  > I don't doubt that the platforms have good 3rd party support, but it's absolutely dwarfed by
  > that of the web community, and that will only grow larger over time.

You know why it is funny? The things that native offers without even third party code is leaps and bounds beyond what web community offers for mobile and will stay this way for a long time, if not forever. So far community has been reinventing the same wheel a thousand times over and there is no sign of progress. Guys, look, another MVC framework, how cool is that!